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What is Responsible Gambling?
13 posts / 0 new Log in or register to post comments Last post Posted by Messages #1 Posted on: Sun, 06/04/2008 - 23:34moe11
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What is Responsible Gambling and what is this sits position on it?
Seems like in some of the other threads some are taking this to mean many things.
Is responsible gambling possible for everyone? Is it this sites positon that even compulsive gamblers can one day gamble responsibly? If not then exacly who qualifies to gamble responsibly?
How do the rest of you feel about reading threads on responsible gambling? Does it tempt you to go out and place a bet? Do you find it detremental to your recovery?
Maybe there should be a new category called responsible gambling. 1st it would be nice to have a definition of what it is and who qualifies.
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IamNotaGambler
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To me, responsible gambling can be viewed from two perspectives. 1) There is responsible gambling as seen from the point of view of the bookies/ casinos, government lottery officials. This view means that you should use gambling as a form of recreation only. You should go in with the expectation that you are doing an activity which can be grouped along with other activities, like bowling, or going out to eat pizza, or going to a bar (pub). In this view the gambler looks at the money lost as money spent on a recreational activity. 2) The other viewpoint is responsible gambling as seen from the gambler's perspective. This is where it gets tricky. The gambler wants to gamble a little from time to time and find a way to win money at it. This is where trouble can come into the picture. The gambler loses some money, then tries to recover that money by gambling more (chasing losses). This in turn, over time, builds up into addiction, and sooner or later, the gambler who goes down this road becomes a problem gambler.
So, instead of saying that responsible gambling is good or bad, it is necessary, to ask the question that you have asked and examine it from the various points of view. One person may be looking at it from one side and the other person from the other side and if definitions of the terms aren't clearly stated, then that is where discussions can become heated and turn into arguments.
I believe Gamcare staff are in a difficult position because they must try to be of help to both sides of the scenario and I just wanted to say I commend all the staff at Gamcare and think they are doing a good job in a difficult position.
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IamNotaGambler
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Here is a logical, well thought-out definition of responsible gambling. This is taken from the website: www.gambleaware.co.uk
Responsible Gambling 'People who gamble responsibly make sure they know all the facts. They decide in advance how often they will play, how much money and time they will spend, and when to stop. Sometimes, responsible gambling is making a decision not to gamble at all.
This section provides a guide to managing your money and time, with tips and advice on responsible gambling from other gamblers.
Gambling responsibly will keep gambling enjoyable, and lower the risk of harm to you, your family or friends.
A person who gambles responsibly: gambles for fun, not to make money or to escape problems. knows that they are very unlikely to win in the long run. does not try to ‘chase’ or win back losses. gambles with money set aside for entertainment and never uses money intended for rent, bills and food. does not borrow money to gamble. does not let gambling affect their relationships with family and friends.' Source: http://www.gambleaware.co.uk/responsible-gambling
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Stomper
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Thats all very sensible and correct but a lot of people start off like that but end up with varying degrees of addiction. The sensible approach is just bet with a portion of your pocket money (cash) and leave it at that KEEP the plastic away from gambling if you get to that stage you're probably heading the wrong way. Most of us here are of course beyond doing that. It wouldn't mean much to me now to have a tenners worth on a Saturday having previously bet 1000's a week or even in a day sometimes. So i just use the optimal strategy-ABSTAIN.
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moe11
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Thanks for the input. One thing I have learned over the past week in this forum is that if someone is not ready to stop then nothing you say (write ) is going to make a difference. Its so hard to give up that dream.
To me. Someone who gambles responsibly would probably want to stop once they have crossed the line. I would image the vast majority of people are able to nip in the bud after the 1st lost control night. Some have the vision to do that. I actually have hearda few people tell me they stopped right after they lost a sustancial amt as they felt so bad about it. Why they can do it right off and other can't, I don't know.
Perhaps the most responsible thing we can all do is to be very honest with ourselfs and be willing to accept the truth about who we are and what we can and cannot do.
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shak
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i think responsible gambling is when you do it for fun 1, there would probabaly 60 % less profit for gambling establishment and roulette machine 2, we all would not be here if we we reresponsible .i dont know bout you guys but iv tried all that **** just take what you need .u just get back into jist of it and eventually get hit hard then promise yourself u going to quit .so therse is responsible gambling thosewho do it probabaly dont realse they doing it coz they just play very litle or just passing the bookies .for u sguys a def no no no
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jtblinds3
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Responsible Gambling Definition
I have never met a responsible gambler. Every one that I have met has always said 'I'll just have one more go' which was what I used to do to extreems lol. Not any longer, I have become a responsible gambler and realised that I have a responsibility to myself not to a bookie/machine owner. I can now have fun and not worry I can go out and enjoy myself I can look at myself in the mirror (not a pretty sight lol) I can say I do not gamble
take care
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indiana147
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my opinion is simply that gambling falls into two categories,either you are in control of any gambling you participate in or it is in control of you.I for one fall into the latter category
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Better Days
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I think it comes down to the difference between hope and expectation.
I hope to win the lottery, so I buy two or three lines every week. I do not increase this ever as my overall chances of winning will not increase by much as the odds are so high. I simply buy my ticket because you have to be in it to win it and you never know your luck could come in.
I hope to win at the casino when I go, but am fully aware it is a random game so see my stake money as the cost of the evening. If it goes, I don't chase it.
I EXPECT to win gambling on sports as I think I have the knowledge to win, and have done so many times before. So I have no hesitation in reloading funds as I think the tide will eventually turn, but it doesn't.
As to why some can stay in control and walk away after a loss at some forms of betting, I'd say it's because they don't expect to have a chance of retrieving the losses, so they accept the money has gone. It could be their first attempts at certain forms of betting were all losing ones, so deep down they have no expectation of profiting from gambling, unlike those whose first few bets may have been winning ones.
But in a nutshell, responsible gambling is either being able to win at it, losing only what you can afford to, not playing for too big stakes, and knowing when to walk away.
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jd
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betting what you can afford, risk management.placing bets you think will win not betting on hope. not exceeding your limits.knowing when to call it a day, being selective, no fun bets.
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strauss
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A name given to gambling by the gambling industry.
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southcoastfox
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I think the initial post asked What is Responsible Gambling and what is this sites position on it?
I would be interested to know the answer to the second part of the question because it appears that this discussion about 'responsible gambling' is cropping up more and more on this site.
The name of this particular forum is ' Overcoming Problem Gambling' Every conversation I have had, whether it be with counsellors (Gamcare and others) or with others on this site, has concluded that if you are a 'problem gambler' there are no half measures.
At the risk of being repetitive (indebted's thread - Attention Moderators) ) Coming onto a forum aimed at 'Overcoming Problem Gambling' and talking about responsible gambling is like going to an AA meeting and saying that the occasional drink is ok. There is a fine line between knowing you have a problem and accepting that fact and actually committing to do something about it.
I can't speak for others, but I come on to this site because it keeps me in touch with where I am and what I am. In my efforts to 'overcome problem gambling' I don't want to read that for some, responsible gambling is possible.
I am torn between feeling anger towards those that are posting this stuff and feeling concerned for them that they haven't really accepted that they have a problem.
I'm all for free speech and each to is own and all that but this site is here for a specific reason and some of the people who read this stuff are really vulnerable.
I appreciate that this balance is a fine one, but I personally don't find these discussions helpful.
I would suggest that the answer to the question, what is responsible gambling? is 'NOT AN OPTION' if you are a member of this forum.
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Twitchster
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I actually agree with the posts of Soutcoastfox and Strauss, at least to a certain extent. Gambling occasionally or in moderation is still in essence gambling. As gamblers we have inherently addictive personalities, so even when doing a comparatively small bet we risk getting lured back into old habits.
I’ve written quite a bit regarding my own ‘responsible gambling’ on my recovery diary. Of course we are all different, but I think deep down we all have a gambling ‘hook’ – i.e. a certain type of gambling we find particularly entertaining. Mine has always been quick win games (hi-lo type things), blackjack, football and –to a slightly lesser extent – horse racing.
I’ve probably only ever been in about four bookies in my life and have never felt compelled to go in. I’ve been in a casino three times, but have never placed a bet – once again because I have never wanted to gamble in front of others and don’t particularly like the atmosphere. I’ve been to the dog track four times (each for special occasions – i.e. work functions – just as with the casino) and never bet more than £2 a race. However, online I’ve always somehow been lured in and find it extremely easy to get hooked in a matter of seconds.
Now I’m not trying to say it is an impossibility for me to get hooked on another form of gambling, quite the opposite in fact; but for me personally I feel assured that every time I gamble socially (i.e. in the company of others – at the races or playing poker etc.), providing it is only very occasionally, I can withstand the temptation. But that doesn’t go for everyone, and even in my case, I’m not willing to push it to the very limit.
In essence responsible gambling is a bit of a myth and one that I certainly would never encourage. Michael Caine said something very telling on Parkinson when speaking about alcoholism; he said, and I’m paraphrasing slightly, that he ‘never wanted to be in the situation where he couldn’t have another drink of wine again’ so he cut everything else out, only allowing the odd glass of wine.
This stuck with me purely because I think I’m of a similar mind track. I will never gamble online again, as that really is my hook, but I don’t want to become a gambling pariah to my friends and family, to the extent that they won’t invite me to join in a game of cards or attending a special occasion at a gambling venue. That for me is what responsible gambling – were it to exist – is all about, allowing yourself to be controlled enough to do it only when strictly necessary and not when you feel like it. And as for whether it is recommended, I would certainly never suggest it to anyone, but we are all different and we must choose our own paths to a successful recovery.
All the best to everyone
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